What do YOU think of the current occupent of the White House?

[Erebethor]

Confront someone with a clipboard and pen and they will lie. A friend of mine did a poll for a company a few years ago. The results were incredibly comforting. Did you know that 90% of the population is a CEO of their own company, earns more than a million every year and has three sports cars.  ;)
Ereb
p.s. Once again Kwee has indeed nailed it

[Perragin]

I went too early to tell here. It's only 4 months for crying out loud! The Bush Admin. messed a lot of things up and as stated earlier, these will not be fixed overnight.  Oh, and someone said he has gone back on a few things already? Hey, there's a suprize...the only person who never went back on any promise for any reason got crucified for it. Politicians always do this either by design or because the rest of the politicians did not cooperate. The man had plans, but sometimes even the best plan is not doable (at least in the time alloted )

[will199]

Asking if he will be better than bush is setting the bar for success very very very low. Overall I think he will wind up doing better but given how crappy the economy was when he got office I doubt he or anybody else elected this cycle will get more than 1 term in office.

There is no way that he could ever be better than President Bush.
We have elected our first commy and by the time He has his first term over the gov. will be in control of our lives, like the Russian lived under, for 70+years
I Vote for President Bush both times I would always vote for bad Republican over Dirty roten Demorat any day of the week.

[Perragin]

Interesting. When Bill Clinton was in office the country was in pretty good shape as I recall and no one seemed to become communist because of this. In my area you would have a hard time finding many Bush supporters. Our unemployment rate has hit about 40% and most houses for sale are due to forclosure. But your comments do bring up one scary fact about politics...most people vote for parties not for the man. Thats sad I think.

[Erebethor]

Bush couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. He messed up EVERYTHING! There is a HUGE, HUGE difference between the Democrats and the Communists. And anyway, the Marxist doctrine itself is a beautiful thing. I mean, what's wrong with everyone being equal? Eradicate racism, homophobia, Anti-Semitism, all the bad stuff. Marx left just one thing out of the equation. US. Stupid, greedy, manipulating, power hungry idiotic humans. That's my stance and I'm sticking to it no matter what some ungrammatical and illiterate redneck says.
Ereb

[Reliant75]

anyone who actually lived through as an adult through the clinton presidency will say It was Hilary, not bill, as the president.  Afterall how many men get caught with their pants down in RL? 
I am joking forgive me.

Bush, Cheeny and Rumsfield, err rove too, they wanted power... maybe one of them honestly believed that they were sending  the country in the right direction, but one of them wasn't.  and like an accident on the freeway, it only take one to f**K it up for the rest of us.  With Obama... just Look at how many  "accidents" he has to avoid. whether you agree with him or not I should say that no one envy him.  Let him do what he thinks he can, someone is bound to screw it up.

[Erebethor]

Is the Marx = everyone equal thing getting to anyone out there?

[Steeloak]

Why anyone would admire one of the most evil philosophies that has ever been conceived by the human mind is beyond me.  Look at any nation that has embraced Marxism and you will see a hell hole of misery and oppression - without exception!

[Rivenya]

If Obama is paying the price for Bush's poor administration....wouldn't that mean that Bush was paying for Clinton's?  And Clinton was paying for Bush's and he for Reagan and on and on and on?  Isn't also funny that any President would take the kudos for the positive and blame the opposition for the negative when, chances are, BOTH were set into to motion by a preceding one? 

Seems to me that politics and religion have a lot in common...if you don't share the same beliefs then you each think the other is wrong.  Voting a party line is a close-minded way of choosing.  But, unfortunately, nowadays it seems that if people voted their conscience it would be just as bad.  Can't we just get a "do-over"?

And Ereb...."Stupid, greedy, manipulting, power hungry idiotic humans."  That would be MANIPULATING so does that make you an "... unable-to-spell redneck..."  And I believe it should be "power-hungry".  Maybe Wren can clarify that one.  "US." and "Stupid, greedy, manipulting, power hungry idiotic humans." are sentence fragments.  Name-calling is unbecoming and useless not to mention amusing at times.  Thanks for the amusement. =P

[Quinatan]

I had liked this thread until people become rude and name calling.  All that does in the end is make you look closed minded.


Also not sure why the president gets so much credit for good/bad things in the US.  Congress is the legislative body, sure the president can veto, but he isn't writing law.

[Erebethor]

I retract the redneck statement. I blame the fact I was brought up with a copy of Private Eye to hand all the time for the fact that I feel very strongly about Bush and stereotypical hick.
1. Rivenya, you really need to check my post again. It is indeed MANIPULATING, which is why I put that in my post. If you would be kind enough to read my post again then you would see that I spelt it correctly. And at the end of the day, wht is one missing letter? I broke up my sentence to emphasise my point, which is furthered by my use of capital letters.
2. Steeloak, I said that the Marxist doctrine is always corrupted by those that wish to gain power. Take the original deal. Everything is ticking along nicely until they throw out all the good Communists and Stalin takes over. He clearly doesn't stick to the thing of equality, him living in opulence whilst others starve in the cold. The actual philosophy itself is an incredible thing? How can encouraging equality in everyone, with no barriers ever again Be "evil" as you so strongly put it.
3. Finally I retract any statements that make me look closed minded.
Erebethor

[Rivenya]

Hey Ereb... YOU brought up the grammar and spelling issue =P  I was just making a point.

You will find that typing/writing nowadays is done as if one was speaking instead of grammatically correct (like breaking up your sentences or my favorite "..." to indicate a pause or preclude something I think is important or funny).   It has its place but as time goes on, people will start forgetting how to write properly (or never learn correctly in the first place).  And don't even get me started on texting!   So unless you plan on ensuring what you type is absolutely correct, don't make an issue of it.

Oh and by the way =D  it is "spelled" not "spelt"

*ducks*

[Steeloak]

It is one of the great lies about Marxism that it is a beautiful system that is corrupted by abusers of power like Stalin. 
Marxism inherently causes totalitarianism because it assumes human beings are a blank slate and can be reshaped into selfless socialists.  It is the frustration the Communist experiences in trying to force human nature into an impossible form that leads them to use ever increasing levels of force.  Ideological purity must be enforced which leads to rigid thought control and secret police to ferret out the incorrect thinkers that frustrate communism.

I assume since you are at University you are hearing this tripe about Marxism from your professors.  I would suggest you read "Socialism" by Ludwig Von Mises, "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, and "Animal Farm" by George Orwell to help balance the one-sided views you are being indoctrinated with.

[Erebethor]

OK, I think that neither of us is going to be swayed, so we should just agree to disagree. Although, I did say that the philosophy didn't take into account the nature of human beings, which is that most of us, not all, but most of us, can say "I would die for..." as much as we like, but when push comes to shove most of realise we like being alive quite a lot, thank you very much.... Seriously though, lets just leave this to lie And whilst, as I have said before, I am not at university and am in fact in my early teens, I have read the lot of them, and others besides.
Hope that straightens everything out
Erebethor

[Gildan]

I assume since you are at University you are hearing this tripe about Marxism from your professors.  I would suggest you read "Socialism" by Ludwig Von Mises, "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand, and "Animal Farm" by George Orwell to help balance the one-sided views you are being indoctrinated with.

Ah yes the great argument of the liberal elite colleges brainwashing the children into believing Marxism works.  Didn't this argument go away 40 years ago?  Seriously, is it so hard for people to accept free and independent thought?  I believe in Atlus Shrugged, therefore I am an independent thinker - you believe in Marxism, therefore you are a brainwashed college liberal.  Sorry, intelligent people are capable of seeing the same set of facts and come to very different conclusions.  Having discourse on the matter is great, coming into the discussion closed minded and hurling insults in either direction is of zero value.

Full disclosure - I happen to disagree with both of you, but I also believe both of you have interesting arguments.  When I went to a "liberal college" I had to read all those books as well as many others - it's part of a well rounded curriculum.  Sorry, you set off a nerve, because stereotypes like that and the redneck (I happen to view myself as a bit of a redneck) comments are both idiotic and insulting to everyone.  And it shows both of you are closed minded on the subject and it's not worth discussing with either of you.